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http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=18066&siteSection=1

Does anyone have any more info about this?

I'll keep my eye out for some info. This is very close to my house, about 40 mins away.

um, close to your house? where do you live now? Not Northbrook, IL?

How totally embarrassing for the Officer! Back up!!! What the heck happen to back up???

this is a blurb of what happened.

A DeKalb County police officer who claimed a suspect kidnapped and stabbed him Monday lied about the incident has been charged, a law enforcement official told 11Alive News.

Officer R.W. Jones, 47, will be taken to the DeKalb County Jail after his release from the hospital, police officials announced Friday. Jones is charged with kidnapping with bodily injury, violating his oath of office, making false statements, and falsely reporting a crime. The first three charges are felonies.

um, close to your house? where do you live now? Not Northbrook, IL?


I have two houses for my double life :D


But really, I have a townhouse that I rent for school. Then when I am on breaks, I live in Northbrook at my parents house

this is what actually happened.

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Reported By: Kevin Rowson
Web Editor: Tracey Christensen
Last Modified: 11/5/2004 10:02:22 PM


A DeKalb County police officer who claimed a suspect kidnapped and stabbed him Monday lied about the incident and has been charged, a law enforcement official told 11Alive News.

Officer R.W. Jones, 47, will be taken to the DeKalb County Jail after his release from the hospital, police officials announced Friday. Jones is charged with kidnapping with bodily injury, violating his oath of office, making false statements, and falsely reporting a crime. The first three charges are felonies.

All charges have been dropped against the man now being called a victim in the case, Robert Williams.

Jones claimed that he encountered Williams about 2 a.m. Monday and that Williams scuffled and disarmed him, forcing him into the trunk of his police cruiser. Officer Jones told his superiors that Williams then drove him to the Rockdale County line and stabbed him when he freed himself from the trunk. Williams fled and turned up after a seven-hour search.

Williams told 11Alive News that Officer Jones picked him up for loitering outside a restaurant on Wesley Chapel Road and put him in the cruiser for transport to the DeKalb County jail.

Williams said when he realized the officer was taking him out of the county, he asked, "What's going on?" Williams said Officer Jones responded that he was taking Williams to the place where he takes everyone he arrests on his beat.

Williams said the cruiser came to a stop near the Rockdale County line and that Jones got out of the car, came around to his seat, pulled out his ASP (telescoping stick) and started to beat him with it.

Williams said he was not going to sit in the car and take a beating so he jumped out and started to scuffle with Officer Jones.

"I fought for my life, I fought with every ounce of energy that I had I to stay alive,” Williams said. “i was not ready to die, I didn't want to die."

During the struggle, Officer Jones pulled out a knife and some sort of pick which he used to fend off Williams, according to the victim.

"He was on the ground. I was on top of him. He had his hand on the gun, I had my hand on top of his hand. I wouldn't let him get to it out the holster and that's when he pulled out the knife and stabbed me,” Williams said.

Williams received stitches for stab wounds to his legs and chin. Both of his arms are now bandaged.

Williams said the officer then placed his hand on his holster to prepare to take out his gun. Williams said he put his own hands over the gun and, fearful he was going to get shot, wrestled the gun away from the officer.

"I grabbed his gun but I’m not a killer,” Williams said. “I wasn't out there trying to kill him. I was out there just to try to keep myself alive.”

Williams said during the struggle, Jones fired one shot at him. Williams said he fled with the weapon.

"I hit the officer with it. I pistol-whipped him with the gun and I ran with the gun,” Williams said.

"I really feel like that it's done happened to some other people, some other people haven't been so lucky,” he added. “I'm just one of the lucky ones.”

this is a blurb of what happened.

A DeKalb County police officer who claimed a suspect kidnapped and stabbed him Monday lied about the incident has been charged, a law enforcement official told 11Alive News.

Officer R.W. Jones, 47, will be taken to the DeKalb County Jail after his release from the hospital, police officials announced Friday. Jones is charged with kidnapping with bodily injury, violating his oath of office, making false statements, and falsely reporting a crime. The first three charges are felonies.


Geeze...didn't see that one coming.

I wonder if other cases are going to surface due to this

I have two houses for my double life :D


But really, I have a townhouse that I rent for school. Then when I am on breaks, I live in Northbrook at my parents house


ah cool you go to school in GA. where at GA TECH? GA state? somewhere else?

WTF???? :confused: No wonder he chose to tell the embarrassing story. What an idiot! Bye-bye to a good career...hello to a beating in prison..daily.

Whoa, Twilight Zone! :eek:

Now he's nothing but another criminal and whatever he gets he deserves. His best bet is to punch the first ranking officer as soon as he step off the chain bus.

We had a guy who claimed he was hit in the back of the head with a 2x4 by a suspect and knocked nearly unconscious.

The back of his head was struck by wood, and it was on duty where he said, but it turned out he was climbing an 8' wood fence to check an alarm and fell off, striking his head.

I hear he works at Wal Mart now,

The back of his head was struck by wood, and it was on duty where he said, but it turned out he was climbing an 8' wood fence to check an alarm and fell off, striking his head.


If only he told the truth, I mean, how hard is it to say...
"I climped a fence to check an alarm and I fell and hit my head on some wood"

He might have been the butt of a few jokes for a few months, but hed still be a cop. :rolleyes:

I feel sorry for this guy. Just goes to prove even those who wear badges aren't always honest either. No one is ablove the law. But what I see so many times in law enforcement is "do as i say, not as I do!"

Ha ha ha ha thats funny, but not quite. I don't eat at McDonalds, or Caspers as you called it, let alone work there. But hey everyone needs a job. My currentjob I make some decent money probably more then you in LE. IN fact I know for a fact I do. Seeings how we havea full time State Police officer working here Part TIme for extra cash.

Try again.

Ha ha ha ha thats funny, but not quite. I don't eat at McDonalds, or Caspers as you called it, let alone work there. But hey everyone needs a job. My currentjob I make some decent money probably more then you in LE. IN fact I know for a fact I do. Seeings how we havea full time State Police officer working here Part TIme for extra cash.

Try again.
Interesting how you "know for a fact" that you make more money than me.

And you are doing this as a correctional guard?

Pray tell, oh Humble One, just how much do you make a year?

I may consider downgrading my career path for such a big pay hike.

But what I see so many times in law enforcement is "do as i say, not as I do!"


Well what are doing to have contact with LEO's "so many times" there high speed :rolleyes:

Ha ha ha ha thats funny, but not quite. I don't eat at McDonalds, or Caspers as you called it, let alone work there. But hey everyone needs a job. My currentjob I make some decent money probably more then you in LE. IN fact I know for a fact I do. Seeings how we havea full time State Police officer working here Part TIme for extra cash.

Try again.

Money is nice, but those of us in this profession do it for many other reasons than MONEY. Just a note: We take the PT jobs because they are requested of us. Places of business and schools alike have the need to have licensed peace officers which we offer our services to. We take the the time out of our personal lives and our family lives to ensure locations like the one you spend your day at will be just as protected as the city streets you occupy. So before you start in on the negative remarks think about what we do for you because I can guarantee that you do nothing that betters the lives of any body in my family.

Just goes to prove even those who wear badges aren't always honest either. No one is ablove the law. But what I see so many times in law enforcement is "do as i say, not as I do!"

You are reeking of sour grapes, Mr. Ex-Felon who wants to be a cop.

I meant to neg Kailat but mistakenly hit approve so if anybody can correct it for me I will owe you.

OH wow, how is it you guys blaze me. Let me please first make my first case. #1 I am no longer in the correctional business why? Because I wanted to secure a better career and went to school and could not do so by working 12 hour shifts on a barely minimum paying job. NOw the job was very rewarding don't get me wrong I enjoyed it very much so. #2 how did this come a blaze "kailat" segment I never blazed anyone. All I stated was it seems that even though someone wears a badge they are not always what they seem. All LEO are quick to judge others but when someone else judges you, you get defensive. LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. We are all humans and we all make mistakes make no mistake about that. I have far more integrity and leadership powers than most of wish you had. I never sent out a disrespectful post on this thread degrating me to work at McDonalds. although it was funny and I do have a sense of humor it was pretty disrespectful and tasteless nonetheless. My current job I work in now I work less hours then I did in the correction field and make at least $8,000.00 more dollars a year if not more on overtime then this field. Most LEO barely make what i do unless they live in LA, NYC or a major metropolis. I don't want to make this a my bank is bigger then your bank argument I mean come on guys you are supposed to be adults, leaders, rolemodels... and to bring my Martial Arts into this..That is where I draw the line. I am one of the most respected instructors in my community and others alike. I get "Paid" yes "PAID" to teach LEO's like yourself, and travel around the country by other MA's who want to learn what I have to offer. This means I get the royal treatment from these people, they pay my airfare, room and board, and plus my time and training. This is something I hold near and dear to me. I worked very hard to gain this respect and pass on the same to others. I have been interviewed by many top martial arts magazines, I have represented some major players in the MA world. I can't believe how quick you guys are to tear down someone on this whole forum who disagrees with any of you or anyting for that matter. What really makes you so special? That badge? PLEASE!! As for my co-worker who works PT w/ me who is the State Officer he does so to pay his bills because he doesn't make jack on his full time positon. I don't hold that against this fella because im sure he is a heck of a good officer in fact we have some good conversations. But he'll be the first to admit LE isn't a great paying career. Why do I want to get into this field so bad? Because one my best friend who is a Chief of Security/Police at a "disclosed" location has faith in me, and has some big plans if he lands me a position, and I dont want to let him down, also because I think I would enjoy the position and give a positive outlook to the community, not to mention im just tired of the job I go to now on a daily basis, sure it pays good but it doesn't count for anything. I would not represent those with errogant, egotistical or macho attitudes like so many who wear the uniform do. I was in the Military once i know how the uniform makes some feel SUPERIOR MAN! MAN is MAN it don't matter what you wear. Sure you have the power to enforce the laws of the land but you do not have the power to enforce the laws of GOD! Stop and think for a second why you became what you did? Was it because this is something you really wanted and wasn't going to stop till you did? Or was it because you had nothing else in plan? Or just because you didnt want to go to a 4 year college and spend life doing something else? Too me it doesnt matter because you are where you are because you wanted to. Same w/ me. Same w/ the fella who I feel sorry for who lied and said he was jumped or stabbed or whatever. Why in gods name would someone, anyone especially a cop make something that silly up? His morals and ethics were being challenged obviously. I say again " LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE" Even you as a LEO has sinned and do daily be it a morality issue, ethical issue, or religious issue. The difference between you and me is: I got caught for my mistake and you did not!

Thank you and have a blessed day!

K

You need to check yourself. It was YOU who resorted to name-calling and 'blazing'...I wrote 3 sentences, voicing my opinion, and you did a psychological evaluation on me that was unbelievable, only because I said what you did not want to hear. Your thinking is seriously twisted. You seriously believe that any LEO on this board chose this profession for the money? Or cares how much you make or what you do?? You take yourself a bit too seriously. It's good that you travel a lot, because you really do need to take your show on the road.

All LEO are quick to judge others but when someone else judges you, you get defensive.

I have far more integrity and leadership powers than most of wish you had.

First, USE PARAGRAPHS!

Second, we get defensive when people (primarily idiots/aholes) make sweeping derogatory or condescending statements about LEOs - like the one above.

For you to claim expertise and competency in MA instruction and then to run your mouth like that... :rolleyes: If you were any good, you would have never made a stupid statement like that...

I have trained under and worked out with some of the best MA instructors around Anywhere. Even if your claim was TRUE for them or even if they felt the same way you do, they would have Never vocalized it - they have too much class and modesty/humility.

I'm in Marshal Arts where they teach you many thing’s like RESPECT which you don't have. By how you have posted on here, if you’re really in MA than you’re a DISGRACE to it, I don’t say that by being an explorer but by being in MA.
And WHO ARE YOU, if you’re so famous and well known than I must have heard of you?!

And if you have nothing better to say then talk crap about Law Enforcement then GET OFF! Don't come on here talking crap about a career I wish to get into.
And how do you know anyone's education level, I know yours by how you post.

OH wow, how is it you guys blaze me. Let me please first make my first case. #1 I am no longer in the correctional business why? Because I wanted to secure a better career and went to school and could not do so by working 12 hour shifts on a barely minimum paying job. NOw the job was very rewarding don't get me wrong I enjoyed it very much so. #2 how did this come a blaze "kailat" segment I never blazed anyone. All I stated was it seems that even though someone wears a badge they are not always what they seem. All LEO are quick to judge others but when someone else judges you, you get defensive. LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. We are all humans and we all make mistakes make no mistake about that. I have far more integrity and leadership powers than most of wish you had. I never sent out a disrespectful post on this thread degrating me to work at McDonalds. although it was funny and I do have a sense of humor it was pretty disrespectful and tasteless nonetheless. My current job I work in now I work less hours then I did in the correction field and make at least $8,000.00 more dollars a year if not more on overtime then this field. Most LEO barely make what i do unless they live in LA, NYC or a major metropolis. I don't want to make this a my bank is bigger then your bank argument I mean come on guys you are supposed to be adults, leaders, rolemodels... and to bring my Martial Arts into this..That is where I draw the line. I am one of the most respected instructors in my community and others alike. I get "Paid" yes "PAID" to teach LEO's like yourself, and travel around the country by other MA's who want to learn what I have to offer. This means I get the royal treatment from these people, they pay my airfare, room and board, and plus my time and training. This is something I hold near and dear to me. I worked very hard to gain this respect and pass on the same to others. I have been interviewed by many top martial arts magazines, I have represented some major players in the MA world. I can't believe how quick you guys are to tear down someone on this whole forum who disagrees with any of you or anyting for that matter. What really makes you so special? That badge? PLEASE!! As for my co-worker who works PT w/ me who is the State Officer he does so to pay his bills because he doesn't make jack on his full time positon. I don't hold that against this fella because im sure he is a heck of a good officer in fact we have some good conversations. But he'll be the first to admit LE isn't a great paying career. Why do I want to get into this field so bad? Because one my best friend who is a Chief of Security/Police at a "disclosed" location has faith in me, and has some big plans if he lands me a position, and I dont want to let him down, also because I think I would enjoy the position and give a positive outlook to the community, not to mention im just tired of the job I go to now on a daily basis, sure it pays good but it doesn't count for anything. I would not represent those with errogant, egotistical or macho attitudes like so many who wear the uniform do. I was in the Military once i know how the uniform makes some feel SUPERIOR MAN! MAN is MAN it don't matter what you wear. Sure you have the power to enforce the laws of the land but you do not have the power to enforce the laws of GOD! Stop and think for a second why you became what you did? Was it because this is something you really wanted and wasn't going to stop till you did? Or was it because you had nothing else in plan? Or just because you didnt want to go to a 4 year college and spend life doing something else? Too me it doesnt matter because you are where you are because you wanted to. Same w/ me. Same w/ the fella who I feel sorry for who lied and said he was jumped or stabbed or whatever. Why in gods name would someone, anyone especially a cop make something that silly up? His morals and ethics were being challenged obviously. I say again " LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE" Even you as a LEO has sinned and do daily be it a morality issue, ethical issue, or religious issue. The difference between you and me is: I got caught for my mistake and you did not!

Thank you and have a blessed day!

K

My head hurts. Why is this still here?

Flush.....gone!!

I feel sorry for this guy. Just goes to prove even those who wear badges aren't always honest either. No one is ablove the law. But what I see so many times in law enforcement is "do as i say, not as I do!"

I am willing to bet he wasn't a convicted felon though. :rolleyes:

I feel sorry for this guy. Just goes to prove even those who wear badges aren't always honest either. No one is ablove the law. But what I see so many times in law enforcement is "do as i say, not as I do!"

What I see so often from those "out of the loop" is taking an isolated incident and making broad stereotypes. Your statement, sure founded in statistics (?????), is little different from me assuming all non-LEOs have felonies, based onthe fact that much of my work is inthis demographic.

WOW!! You've got to be kidding me. If I didn't know anybetter I'd assume I was getting ganged up on.

Okay look guys I'll be the bigger man here, and I appologize for taking things to a heightned level. I really am sensitive and very proud of my martial arts career and all the work i've put into it over the past 19+ years. You guys continue being LEO do what you do best. Im going to move forward from here, and I will not allow you to tear me down.

If you really want to continue to be a negative then do it to someone else please!

I am finished trying to even have a decent conversation on here because it's obviously not capable of happening. I have alot going on and a lot to do instead of set here in front of my computer and argue w/ complete strangers.

EXHALE now you all are good to go. You all can smoke your cigars w/ pride and laugh and congradulate yourselves and pat yourselves on the back as I exit. I don't forsee me even wanting to come back on here to make any defense for myself and give you any more leadway to tear me down or play "BIG MAN ON CAMPUS" with any of you. That was never my intentions nor is it now and Im not going to allow it as an outlet for your stress reliever from your life.

So with that being said, have a wonderful life and enjoy your board. I wish I'd of never found this forum. But as the old saying goes " seek and ye shall find " sometimes that goes in a negative manner also. I refuse to allow this board or any of you to destroy my moral, ethics, and challenge me to any type of anything. I just hope one day that your training will lead you to me and we can all be friends and I can help you in training for defense. If not well as long as your training thats good enough for me.

Good day gentlemen

The good ol Kailat exits with no hard feelings and no desire to return!

and the crowd said? ' Good riddens to bad rubbish '

Very interesting.

" I get "Paid" yes "PAID" to teach LEO's like yourself,"

My general orders forbid me to consort (associate, enter into business contracts) with known convicted felons. I wonder how many other agencies are the same way and how many of those agencies you have informed that you are a convicted felon?

The other thread got closed before I had a chance to say this.

Kailat you may have been pardoned by the governor, but I wonder what you will put on you application to the police department. If you say that 'yes' to the question of have you ever been arrested or convicted of a felony, then you will most probably be DQ'ed. In my state you would. If you say 'no' you will be found out by the BI and DQ'ed that way and your business reputation would suffer as a result.

Here's the point. You have done well for yourself. But you cannot attain everything you desire. Such is life, right? Don't be bitter about it; it cannot be changed. And disagreeing with the many officers who know this and have tried to reason with you on it is fruitless.

Buh-bye.

My general orders forbid me to consort (associate, enter into business contracts) with known convicted felons. I wonder how many other agencies are the same way and how many of those agencies you have informed that you are a convicted felon?

That seems a bit harsh doesn't it? Is someone with a felony ever supposed to get their life right? If people keep putting them down and not allowing them to get a leg up in society no wonder 9 out of 10 felons continue to keep going to jail. It seems to me this guy just got a bad break and is trying to do something with his life at least it's good and not bad. I think you were really tough on him and all he was looking for was some answers and a chance to fit in.

I'm at a point in my life trying to decide if law enforcement is the best option for me or not. And their are things like this that I am finding is a bit complacent. My uncle is a convicted felon and I don't look down on him. He's had an alcoholic disfuntion his whole life and it has caused alot of serious strain and grief in his life and our families. But he is still a human being and it shows that once you are branded a felon you quickly become a black sheep of society. It's not fair to some. And thats my opinion.

You need to remember that convicted felons and police don't and cannot run in the same circles. It's a serious conflict of interest and so, rather than say this particular felony is allowed, and this one is a DQ, it's a blanket coverage on all felony convictions.
I don't see a problem with it pertaining to Law Enforcement. People who enforce the laws should not have prior convictions for breaking them. It really isn't that hard a concept to grasp.

My general orders forbid me to consort (associate, enter into business contracts) with known convicted felons. I wonder how many other agencies are the same way and how many of those agencies you have informed that you are a convicted felon?

That seems a bit harsh doesn't it? Is someone with a felony ever supposed to get their life right? If people keep putting them down and not allowing them to get a leg up in society no wonder 9 out of 10 felons continue to keep going to jail. It seems to me this guy just got a bad break and is trying to do something with his life at least it's good and not bad. I think you were really tough on him and all he was looking for was some answers and a chance to fit in.

I'm at a point in my life trying to decide if law enforcement is the best option for me or not. And their are things like this that I am finding is a bit complacent. My uncle is a convicted felon and I don't look down on him. He's had an alcoholic disfuntion his whole life and it has caused alot of serious strain and grief in his life and our families. But he is still a human being and it shows that once you are branded a felon you quickly become a black sheep of society. It's not fair to some. And thats my opinion.

People make mistakes, they accept their consequences, and hopefully get on with their lives. There is no problem there. They can be assimilated back into society, become gainfully employed, raise a family, etc., etc....however, you need to understand that when a certain line is crossed, (anti-social behavior like committting a felony, for example), there are other sanctions that come into play. These sanctions include limiting the scope of employability one has.
You shouldn't 'look down' on your uncle; but you shouldn't expect me, as a member of society, to accept him as a law enforcement officer. Just my 2 cents.

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"That seems a bit harsh doesn't it? Is someone with a felony ever supposed to get their life right? If people keep putting them down and not allowing them to get a leg up in society no wonder 9 out of 10 felons continue to keep going to jail. It seems to me this guy just got a bad break and is trying to do something with his life at least it's good and not bad. I think you were really tough on him and all he was looking for was some answers and a chance to fit in. "

If it's harsh, so be it. I do not write the general orders of my department nor am at liberty to discard the ones I find personally distasteful. For police officers to consort with known convicted felons smacks of conflict of interest and is not in line with the higher standards of conduct that police officers are held to.

Recidivism is not caused by felons getting their feelings hurt, it is caused by their inability or refusal to conform to societal norms, the ones the we law abiding citizens have very little trouble with.

Bad break? You make that sound like that whole thing was a series of misfortunes. It was not a mistake he made, it was a bad decision. He had owned up to it and gone on. Unfortunately he will not be able to be in law enforcement.

If you plan on staying in or getting into law enforcement you will have to come to terms that you are going to have to say things that are going to be unpalatable to some people. I believe that the comments I made were not injurious to his ego, he sounds like he is grounded enough to carry on with his life.

As far as family goes, you can't help the choices they make and leeway is made for family, at least in my department.

My general orders forbid me to consort (associate, enter into business contracts) with known convicted felons. I wonder how many other agencies are the same way and how many of those agencies you have informed that you are a convicted felon?

That seems a bit harsh doesn't it? Is someone with a felony ever supposed to get their life right? If people keep putting them down and not allowing them to get a leg up in society no wonder 9 out of 10 felons continue to keep going to jail. It seems to me this guy just got a bad break and is trying to do something with his life at least it's good and not bad. I think you were really tough on him and all he was looking for was some answers and a chance to fit in.

I'm at a point in my life trying to decide if law enforcement is the best option for me or not. And their are things like this that I am finding is a bit complacent. My uncle is a convicted felon and I don't look down on him. He's had an alcoholic disfuntion his whole life and it has caused alot of serious strain and grief in his life and our families. But he is still a human being and it shows that once you are branded a felon you quickly become a black sheep of society. It's not fair to some. And thats my opinion.

1. Fair? Don't EVER forget, brush aside, or otherwise minimize the impact of a FELONY on the VICTIMS(S)! Don't EVER disregard the actual FELONY/FELONIES that was/were committed!

2. There is a HUGE difference between what that guy was doing - coming here, downplaying his criminal activity, and talking condescendingly to sworn LEOs (I'm SO much better than you ALL :rolleyes: ) - and someone else who truly IS regretful about his/her past transgressions, IS changing his/her life around, and does NOT have a huge chip on his/her shoulder.

3. Re: recidivism - IME, most criminals will NEVER fly straight - especially those that run their mouths and continue to demonstrate a pisspoor attitude. IME, most return to crime Not because they are being put down or held back by society but because it's easier than earning an honest living and that's what They Choose to do.

That being said, I recently had the privilege of working out with an ex-heavyweight boxing champ (won his title by 1st round KO). This particular gentleman happens to be an ex-con (prison time for a violent felony). Guess what, you would have never guessed it by meeting him. One of the nicest guys you would ever meet - soft-spoken, humble, professional - and he would have EASILY been able to knock out me or any of my partners that were there that day. IIRC he is now working in the community and giving back. So, yes, there ARE guys like him and I applaud their efforts in becoming a productive member of society.

I hear you and what you are saying. I think the guy had valid points and good intentions. However what I think screwed him was his coming in here and stating he was pardoned for a felony conviction and then trying to get accepted into a brotherhood of those that are dedicated to putting people like him away.

On the other hand he claims to be a martial arts instructor and he may very well be. He says he teaches police tactics HOW is this ? the only thing I can think of he's been brought in as a guest teacher. Our DT's instructor who is certified by the academy does every know and again bring in different instructors to cover training on weapons like edged and impact weapons alike. So this is the only way I can see this kalot guy being brought in to teach LEO's. As for him traveling around the world I am not buying into it.

My Uncle who is a convicted felon he was charged with 5 counts of DUI and he dodged the ball for so many years, paying thousands of court costs and fees until it finally caught up with him. But he will never learn he still drinks and drives. I tell him every time I see him one day he'll kill someone if he doesn't cut it out. He replies with " Nah I don't get that drunk"

In case anyone is interested, MLB is also Kaliat.

This is apparently an example of the "integrity" that he told us that he has--pretending to be someone else and identifying himself falsely as a police officer.
Thanks DC.

Kailat/MLB, that is really dishonest. Why would you do something like that?

In case anyone is interested, MLB is also Kaliat.

This is apparently an example of the "integrity" that he told us that he has--pretending to be someone else and identifying himself falsely as a police officer.
Good work on flushing out the nut. Green your way when it lets me.

WTF???? :confused: No wonder he chose to tell the embarrassing story. What an idiot! Bye-bye to a good career...hello to a beating in prison..daily.

If not hourly