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According to the article below & Kiii News.

Dept of Justice under Holder investigated one police dept.'s hiring practice and found discrimination.

Do you agree or disagree on this? & why should standards be lowered? or are they being lowered?



Title: Justice Department Proposes $700K Settlement in Discrimination CaseAssistant City manager Troy Riggs tells 3News the city made a mistake and will pay for it.Riggs is talking about the Justice Department investigation of the police department's hiring practices. The former chief said those practices resulted in below average numbers of women and blacks making it through the police academy....The government is also suggesting the city pay those women around $700,000 as compensation

If you needed a doctor to perform a critical surgical procedure on you, would you want the best qualified doctor around or would you be happy with one who got to be a doctor simply because of gender, ethnicity/race, skin color, sexual preference, age, etc?

If you needed a doctor to perform a critical surgical procedure on you, would you want the best qualified doctor around or would you be happy with one who got to be a doctor simply because of gender, ethnicity/race, skin color, sexual preference, age, etc?

Somebody, please, rep this man for me. :P

REP sent.

Anytime there are different standards for anything ibecomesediscriminatoryry. When I was much younger I applied at the State Police. I just made the cut off with a 96. The cut off was 95 for for me. A family friend also made it to the orientation. We were talking about our scores and I found out she was invited with an 83. Being female made her a member of the minority group du jour. She was told the cut off was 80, which also happened to be the minimum qualifying score.

In reality in today's society there is no reason to have different scores requirements for different minorities. Everyone is given the same opportunity to go to school. No group is told they can not go to obtain an education. In fact it is far easier to get a college education if you are a minority than if you are not. Personally I would be insulted if I was given a loqualifyingying score because I was a minority. It would tell me that I am not good enough to qualify without the assistance of someone else.

Actually, DOJ demanding that standards be lowered to meet ethnic hiring quotas has been going on for a long time. Take a look at Nassau Study Editorial from Weekly Standard (http://www.ipacweb.org/files/nassau/wklystd.html) It is an article from 1997 detailing just such a practice.

15 years have gone by since that article was written and apparently we are still doing it.

15 years have gone by since that article was written and apparently we are still doing it.

We are and have been as long as I can remember. In my 1970 academy, we had a black guy who flunked something in the academic part and he was allowed to retake it. They would have never done that for a white male.

I've had some pretty well founded suspicions that the test scores are sometimes changed for certain minorities in hiring and promoting. We have a lot of really good black and women cops, but we also have some real losers too. And trying to deal with one as a supervisor is a frigging nightmare, I can tell you that from experience.

As a civilian, this irks me to no end. I can only imagine the feelings of a white male officer would have.

When I’m in a situation where I have the unfortunate need to call 911, I would prefer to have the most capable/qualified officer coming to assist me, not one that is only an officer because of their genitals or the color of their skin.

There are some professions where this practice wouldn’t bother me and I understand the need to sometimes give preference based on minority or gender (at the moment I can’t think of one, but, maybe there is).

Law Enforcement is definitely not one that could possibly fit into that category.

There are, or should be, set standards for qualification and if you don’t meet that, tough. The color of your skin, or what’s between your legs, has NO bearing on your qualifications to meet the requirements of the job.

Many years ago I worked in a gas station that was a cop hangout. I clearly remember one night, one of my regular cops came in and was in a pretty bad mood. Of course I asked him what was wrong and he said he got his notification that he didn’t make Sgt with a score in the mid 90’s. An officer of a different race scored in the low 80’s and was given the promotion. I had a very hard time with this, and still do. I cannot force myself to accept that it is ok to hire or promote someone based on skin color.

The white officer did get the promotion a few years later, but it was still frustrating because he lost out on those wages for those years.


I also worry about what these practices are teaching future generations of minority groups. That it is ok to not try as hard, it’s ok to not go to college, it is ok to not study as hard because the standards you’re held to are lower than that of the white male. The white guy has to pretty much be a saint, but you can have some blemishes because you’re a minority.
I have a problem with that.

Equality is everything. If I were a black male who was hired ahead of a white male with better scores, I'd be humiliated that I was patronized by the department. That's just my opinion. I don't care if my local department is 100% Afghani Muslim, as long as they're all qualified.

The other side of the coin that no one preaching affirmative action ever seems to consider is that when you give (and a stress the word GIVE) a job to someone due to their race/sex/etc instead of their qualifications, yes it may get them in the door, but they still have to perform; what that means is that when the QUALIFIED "minority" actually gets the job because of his/her skills, abilities, and perseverance - not only do they have to work just as hard as any other person, they also have to overcome the perception that they got the job solely due to affirmative action (as well as overcome the crappy example that the first person more than likely set).

So to answer your question, IMHO people who base their hiring decisions on race/sex/etc SHOULD get in trouble, but not just for denying a job to a minority or protected class but also by GIVING a job to someone BECAUSE they are a minority or protected class.

Base the hire on the individual applying not the quota you might have to make -- that's TRUE equality!