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MikeG
02-20-12, 06:10 PM
Mesa police: Man's gun goes off in Walmart bathroom stall (http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/2012/02/20/20120220mesa-police-mans-gun-goes-off-walmart-bathroom-brk.html)

Umm, don't drop it if the hammer is resting on the primer? That's old school wheel gun. I'm presuming "western style" in the article means single action? Weird caliber for "western style" I thought.

Do modern revolvers still have the hammer resting on primer or do they have transfer bars and other safeties to stop that? Is dropping modern revolvers still a safety issue?

yes, I realize that it's probably never good to drop a loaded gun but latest pistols I'm familiar with have things like firing pin blocking cylinders so that even if dropped from a height great enough that the mass of the firing pin can overcome the spring, it still can't fire.




A 24-year-old Phoenix man could be prosecuted for endangerment after police say he dropped his gun and fired a shot in the bathroom of a Mesa Walmart on Sunday, Mesa police said.

Andrew Seals entered a bathroom stall about 1 p.m., at a Walmart at McKellips and Greenfield roads, and began to sit down when his Ruger .357-caliber Western-style revolver fell out of its holster and fired a round, Mesa police Sgt. Ed Wessing said.

The bullet went through the stall door, hit a wall, ricocheted into a light on the ceiling, then back onto the floor toward a man standing at a urinal, Wessing said. The bullet struck the floor about 5 feet from the other man, he said.

Police did not arrest Seals, but they will ask prosecutors to charge him with one count of endangerment, Wessing said.


Norm357
02-20-12, 06:39 PM
New Ruger single actions have a transfer bar safety. I'm not quite sure how this gun fired. Maybe the guy was playing with it.

ET109
02-20-12, 07:17 PM
I don't know much about guns, but I know my S&W 357 will NOT fire unless the trigger is pulled... the hammer will fall on a little plate that does nothing unless the trigger removes it first (I assume that's the transfer bar?). It would take multiple failures to create a discharge... the other service revolvers I've seen have the same feature.

"Western style"? I can't trust media's knowledge of guns enough to read anything into that. Maybe he was fumbling around with it trying to put it somewhere, it dropped, and he caught it... and pulled the trigger. Whatever happened, I bet it wasn't exactly how he related it...


mcsap
02-20-12, 08:42 PM
Quick draw practice on the toidy ??

Norm357
02-20-12, 08:45 PM
Quick draw practice on the toidy ??


This is what I believe happened.

MikeG
02-20-12, 09:13 PM
Quick draw practice on the toidy ??

Too quick. The other guy was standing exactly where he should have been. Unless number 2, then he was 5 ft closer than he needed to be.

ChesCopPodz
02-20-12, 11:57 PM
New Ruger single actions have a transfer bar safety. I'm not quite sure how this gun fired. Maybe the guy was playing with it.

This could happen with a Ruger single action made before 1973, which it's not unusual for someone carrying a gun that old (I carry a Colt DS made in 72).

joshhowward37
02-21-12, 12:48 AM
The Ruger involved here was manufactured before 1973.

ChesCopPodz
02-21-12, 02:58 AM
Well then there you go. Inexperienced/uneducated/stupid person plus pre-73 Ruger easily equals dropped gun going bang

cntryboy0531
02-21-12, 04:23 AM
That guy was lucky he was standing at a urinal. Otherwise he would have pissed himself....

Norm357
02-21-12, 09:48 AM
The Ruger involved here was manufactured before 1973.

And how would you know this?

Blackgoat06
02-21-12, 11:07 AM
And how would you know this?

He's the one involved.

pafindr
02-21-12, 11:12 AM
I found another report on this and it says that it was a .357 antique revolver in a western style holster.

Reason to go: Dropped gun fires in Walmart stall - KCTV 5 (http://www.kctv5.com/story/16978166/gun-accidentally-misfires-inside-mesa-wal-mart-bathroom)

marinepilot
02-21-12, 12:01 PM
And how would you know this?


He's the one involved.

And how do we know this? I didn't see that name mentioned anywhere in the story.

Joshhowward37, why don't you at least head on over to the New Member Introductions (http://www.realpolice.net/forums/new-member-introductions-15/) forum and post a thread telling us a bit more about yourself.

Blackgoat06
02-21-12, 12:25 PM
I don't, I made it up.

Norm357
02-21-12, 01:10 PM
I'm about to go Ike Turner all up in heah!

marinepilot
02-21-12, 04:08 PM
I'm about to go Ike Turner all up in heah!

Make it RAIN up in heah!! LOL